Wondering if you can guide me with the care of my umbrella. Her vet is away on sick leave for a few months. I am her third owner.
I live in a two-room 35 ft camper trailer with six dogs and the bird. She likes to be around them – in her cage – and when they get treats she expects ( and gets) her own. They are her flock.
She has been a feather shredder since long before she came to me, about three years ago. She is also very indifferent to food. Her owner before me cared for her well and tried her hardest to get her to fresh fruit and veg. Her primary diet is Zupreem fruit blend, though specific preference is the pink. But she isn’t even very interested in eating.
Sorry for the delay. I had full intentions of providing you with my take on the African Red Bellied parrot several weeks ago and life got in the way. 🙂 irst of all, let me introduce Pepper our two and a half year old ARB. I am emphasizing two year old because we are going through what I can only hope is the terrible 2s stage and not a life long trait with him.
For a bit of history, this is not my first rodeo. I was very active in owning, caring, training, and taming parrots many years ago. I go back to the days when most were wild caught birds that required significant patience and attention.
It is opaque to me as to why cage bird keepers refuse to embrace clicker training. We spend hundreds (thousands) of dollars on birds, equipment, toys, accessories and food (thank you very much) but we spend so little time actually “training” these incredibly smart animals.
Much like those taking their dogs for a “drag” in the morning on my way to work – I see no control exerted by the humans.
Isn’t having a pet that responds positively to your behavior requests infinity more enjoyable?
Did you know the sun conure may be facing extinction in the wild, and you can help? There is a real need for more surveys to establish their status in nature. The 2014 estimates published on the IUCN database are between 1,000 and 1,499 mature birds. Some of the last known sun conures live in Guyana, a country with a small human population and a lot of forest and savannah grasslands.
The IUCN page mentions that the trade in wild conures is “ongoing” because “due to the ease with which birds can be attracted to bait (e.g. corn) and the large distances they will travel, it is easy to trap all the individuals in an area.” Quoted from Jamie Gilardi.
Bird food pellets developed in the late 20th century have been a definite boon to avian nutrition. They offer a fully engineered diet that can be life-sustaining for most birds over decades.
Bird food pellets offer the lowest cost per pound/calorie of any food as well as the least mess.
The flip side of that is we tell people there are no pellet trees in the rain forest so pellets can be counterintuitive to a bird. They lack the many textures and flavors that seeds nuts fruits and vegetables offer.
My first medium sized parrot was a loving sun conure who spent all the years of her life with me. She chose me one day when I was in a pet shop when she was just weaned, about 8 weeks old.
Today I know I got her for the wrong reasons. I was fast learning a lot about my budgie Sydney and twice-found cockatiel Cocoa. After two cold winters in Denver, my husband and I were at last returning to Cape Canaveral for his job on the Space Shuttle. Before leaving Denver I said I wanted a bike for riding the beach and a parrot to ride with me. When SunDance picked me, little did I know she would have an absolute horror of bicycles. No matter how I worked with her, she never overcame this fear.
About a month after Popcorn had passed Catherine and I made big plans to get a new bird after we launched the new Windy City Parrot. I casually mentioned that I was thinking of an African bird like a Senegal.
Sometimes when we get deliveries of bird food a bag is broken or torn and cannot be sold as new. We get credit for that bag and we store them in a refrigerator in the back of the store. We give these bags to our local customers as it is too expense to ship them.
A couple weeks ago Catherine casually mentioned that we were ready to begin a serious search for a new bird.
Carmel, a very good customer of ours was in the Birdie Boutique one day. We give her a lot of the food because we know she passes it on to a local rescue run by a woman we found was named Pat.
Turns out we knew Pat from the bird fairs years back when we were vending at the bird clubs and events.
Peaches, a Senegal parrot, clearly did not like all the other birds in Pat’s rescue. Senegals tend to be quiet.
At the same time we had made a decision to get Bacon, our newly rescued budgie a cage mate because he was clearly unhappy alone and we knew it would take a long time to socialize him. What the heck – we asked Pat if she also had a budgie she could spare.
Cosmos speaking to us -> the day after Peaches came into our lives, I had to do some banking in our new bank. We set up some new accounts and I really hadn’t paid attention to how money was coming and going.
Funny story – one of the accounts that I expected to have $10 had $954. Some dumb credit card processing center had somehow sent this money to the wrong account which I had been chasing for two weeks and was getting nowhere.
Thank you Peaches <- THERE’S YOUR SIGN
The video explains it all.
the digital journey
Dear Pat, It was good to talk to you again. Time flies by so fast. Yes, Mitch and I are looking for a new forever bird. We had Sunshine, our Indian Ringneck, for many years until he passed. I bought him at a GCCBC bird fair about 30 years ago.
Then we went a couple of years bird-less until Popcorn flew into our lives; she was a great little girl. Sadly we lost her to her hormones and most likely cancer. I wish we knew then what we know now.
We were able to stop her hormonal behavior with the 72 hour light cycle we put her through, but by then it was too late. We have had others try it on their own birds and it works.
We currently have a tiny male parakeet foundling who is not tame and does not want to be from what we can see so we are going to get it a buddy in a week or so as we are waiting 30 days to see if the owner shows up.
We would love to see the Senegal you were talking about. Please send me any information, regarding a rescue. We have never adopted before, but we want to have an older bird, not a baby at this point in our lives.
Dear Pat, Thank you for the pictures of Mishu. She looks cute. Does not look mean, LOL, but has a look like “what are you doing?” Is she flighted? We do believe in allowing a bird to fly but also know a bird in a new environment can fly right into danger.
We would clip once, so she would not be able to harm herself. Then when the feathers grow back, she would have full flight available forever. When we brought Popcorn home she had to be clipped as she was just so confused and within a month had molted and grown new feathers; that was great.
Mitch works at home most of the time so he is able to allow the bird to be out. Every room has a stand as we feel if a bird lands on something and destroys it, it is not their fault if we have not provided a stand for it.
We never allow them to fly around other rooms unless we are with them. We have a lot of doors that can be closed keeping the bird in the same room we are. I don’t know if you have seen our BLOG or are signed up for it, but seeing it would show you what sticklers we are at bird care.
Hi Catherine. I am a caregiver for my elderly mother so weeknights will not work for me. I can bring her to you maybe Thursday or Friday this week. We will start off with a foster contract to see how it goes for a month.
I typically do a home inspection but not necessary for you. Her name is Mishu which was given to her by a former owner. He purchased her from a Rolling Meadows bird show breeder. I was there the day he got her so I know she is six years old.
This was the son of a good friend of mine who was living with a girlfriend. When he got home she was furious about bringing the bird home. Told him “it is me or the bird”.
So I have had her her whole life. I’m sad that I am offering her a new home but know you will give her the best home possible. I have been her only human interaction so I am not sure if she will warm up to Mitch. All I can suggest is give her time.
Let me know if and when I can drop her off to you. I assume you will use Popcorn ‘s cage for her.
Dear Pat, Wow, that is quite a story, but it is nice to know her history too. We would be honored to try to see how it works out. Yes, we would love to do this. Mitch works from home currently so he would be with her all the time. He intends to work from an office being set up by the shop at some point (going slowly) and then he would take her with him to a cage in the office. It would be a rare day that she would be left alone all day.
Yes, you can do the home inspection, you would be coming by so all would be shown anyway. We are cautious bird owners, toilet seats stay closed, garbage cans stay closed, no open glasses of water or other beverages.
We currently have the parakeet in Popcorn’s cage and we intend to get a buddy for the single parakeet and then put them in a new cage. So we have to do some set up at home before we can bring home Mishu.
Next week would be better for us so we can get another cage for the keet ready. The keets will live at home and not travel with us, they won’t be in the same area and will always be caged for their safety.
Hi Catherine, Next week is better for me also. I like the proposed schedule you will have for Mishu. Feel free to change her name. I’m not sure she recognizes it. She loves attention and will come to the front of the cage to come out or for head and neck scratches.
Where are you planning to get another parakeet? I got Carmel a beautiful parakeet as a partner for her single bird. She takes all my rescued parakeets. Let me know if you want a male or female. This time Wednesday or Thursday next week is OK for me to bring Mishu to you. Probably around 1 pm after I make lunch for my mom. Whatever works for you. Talk to you later.
Dear Pat, It all sounds wonderful. Nothing should be rushed when it comes to a new family member. I will discuss it all with Mitch later tonight. I know he is excited about the prospect.
We have been together for 15 years, I had Sunshine when I met him and they were fine together but of course Sunshine was my bird. When Popcorn came into our lives they bonded so well. He could handle her so well, but she did not care for me unless he was not around for awhile. It was all on her terms if she rode on me around the house, let me pet her, etc.
Mitch was not new to birds prior to our meeting, his ex had a ringneck, a toe biting cherry headed conure and a sweet white capped pionus so he was no stranger to parrots when we met. LOL.
Dear Pat, Mitch is all in on the plan. We will be bringing in a new cage for the parakeets as quickly as possible, something from Prevue we can pick up by Friday.
Yes, we would be fine with you picking out a buddy for Bacon. A boy, we don’t want to breed them, just let them enjoy being budgies together. We think by the feathering, and the eyes that Bacon is about 9 months old. Color-wise something to go with a Blue and White budgie, LOL.
Hi Pat, Wednesday is good, Mitch will be here. And yes, Bacon is a boy, it was up in the air for a bit as it was very light blue and when we took a couple of pictures it faded to white so we thought it was a girl, but the blue is deepening a bit. So we want another boy to avoid eggs. I will try to snag a couple pics to send anyway.
We are getting a cage in for the keets tomorrow. I want a fancy one for them but it is not in the budget right now so I am getting a decent sized cage and stand for them, 26 x 14 x 36 high. We will furnish it for the keets, can’t wait. I so want Bacon to be happy. He really looks so sad all alone. He has no interest in us.
Great on the clipped wings, has she always been clipped? If her nails need it, please it would be nice so we don’t have to subject her to that. We do our birds nails ourselves but it is never a bonding experience. LOL. We are getting excited.
Catherine, The cage for the parakeets is more than adequate size for them. I personally don’t like the fancy ones (with the indented roof lines at the top). It is wasted space and the birds wouldn’t go there. They like to perch high up. Have you thought about introducing them slowly to each other by putting them side by side in separate cages for a short time? It gives them a chance to get to know one another before putting them in the same cage.
As with all my birds no matter the breed, I include a separate food and water cup for each bird on separate sides of the cage. Unfortunately, birds can starve a mate by being aggressive and not sharing their dishes. I know a few of my clients that it has happened so it is good to observe their behavior.
You may not encounter this since one of the birds is quite young and should adapt easier to an older bird. Just like people, the older birds get set in their ways which can be problematic . . . LOL. If you do want to keep them separate for a short time, I have an inventory of cages you can use.
I truly hope the adoption of Mishu will be successful. Not all of them go smoothly. I have had several for one reason or another that failed. I wanted to prepare you in the event it happens. I truly believe a bird chooses the family to love. Giving Mishu time to settle in will be the test.
I am excited for her to join your family. It will be a sad day and I may shed some tears. She loves me so much but it is the right thing to do for her. As I mentioned, I will ask you to sign a very simple temporary contract that states she will be in your care until we both decide to make it a permanent adoption or return her to me. It may take more than a month to come to that decision. I am open to a time frame.
Looking forward to seeing you and Mitch on Wednesday with Mishu and the new parakeet. Let me know if you have any questions.
Dear Pat, We have been thinking about you and everything a lot. We are excited. The keet sounds adorable. Mitch is working on the cages today. I wish I could be there for the arrival. But Mitch plans to record it all.
Hi Catherine, I am prepared for my visit tomorrow to bring Mishu and the little parakeet. It will take me almost two hours in travel time. I will be coming via Milwaukee Avenue past Dr. Sakas office.
We can talk about making some fresh veggies for the parakeets. A friend of mine uses a food processor or chopper to make the veggie mix as small as possible. The ingredients are the same for all birds.
This little parakeet is so adorable. I believe it is a male. He is only 11 weeks old and fully weaned. I’ve watched him eat seed, drink and eat some millet. He is very tame.
Pat, The keets diet – Maybe you can help me with the keets on getting them to eat well too. I am familiar with them being given nothing but seed and water and then they die young.
That is not what I want to do of course. Right now I started with a good Budgie seed mix by Hagen Living World that has seeds, dried fruits and veggies and tiny pellets. I also added some Leafy Greens and another mix by Higgins Small Fruits & Veggies, but want to encourage fresh food. Not so easy when the bird is so tiny.
I figure I can start with a hunk of romaine clipped to the cage, but beyond that, I am stumped. I admit parakeets are not in my list of birds I have had before. I did have a good number of beautiful Australian Grass keets years ago but they were big enough to eat my usual veggies and fruit mixes I gave to all the birds.
Catherine, Mishu is a very good eater. All (even the doves) get a vegetable mix that includes plain pasta at 7:00 am every morning (all other food has been removed). It is left in the cage for no more than 3 hours. They are then given a mix of seed and pellets (more pellets than seed). I mostly use Higgins brand for the seed and Zupreem for the pellets. I also sometimes use Roudybush and Higgins In-Tune pellets. I like to change it up so they don’t become bored. Then at dinner time they get fruit. She loves apples very much.
I placed her on the jungle gym this morning while I was having a discussion with my mom’s hospice nurse. Mishu began crying and swaying back and forth. The nurse said it sounded like a kitten. She could be mimicking cats I had before they died of old age. She wanted me to pick her up. I also heard her trying to talk. I think she has unlimited potential. I feel bad that I have not been able to give her as much attention she deserves. She has out of cage time everyday. She is not a vocal bird so she will not make a lot of noise.
Pat, I am not concerned with her talking, although if she does, that is fine too. At her age it is doubtful she will start. My male ringneck started to talk at 6 1/2 months old and was a sponge for new words until he was about 3 then had no interest in learning more.
We just set up the new cage for the keets, it is HUGE. I think they will be fine. I will be ordering another cage light for the keets cage as it is a dim corner.
I just cleaned up Popcorn’s cage (also the temporary Bacon home). Take a look, it you think it is too busy you are welcome to tell Mitch what needs to be done.
Both cages are not perfect, they don’t have grilles that slide out so I put paper on top of the grilles to make clean up easier. But until we can order new ones, they will be fine.
It will be very exciting to come how to a house full of chirping again. Mitch said he would be waiting for you on the front steps, LOL.
Dear Pat, Which Higgins seed mix did you use for Mishu? I am guessing a Conure Mix?
Higgins Sunburst Conure bird food blend is a nice one, it has Higgins Intune Pellets in it and I can also feed additional Intune Pellets available in a separate bag. I will bring them home tonight.
Catherine, That Higgins blend is good also. I’ve been ordering Higgins Safflower Parrot and the Sunburst Conure mix as well so that is perfect. This month I’ve changed the pellets to Zupreem. You will find Mishu is not a picky eater and should do well for you. I was going to bring a supply of food for her but sounds like you have what she likes. I try not to order any blends with peanuts or sunflower.
P.S. Tell Mitch I will be bringing my female cockatoos along but will leave them in the car. They will be fine. My husband works from home and has a conference call during the time I will be away. They scream if I am not there to quiet them. They are quiet in the car so don’t worry about your neighbors.
Post The Arrival of Pat and Parrots:
Hi Mitch and Catherine. I am very pleased on how the transition of these two birds went today. I have high hopes that the parakeets will become best buds. It took them all of 5 minutes before they were sitting side by side.
If I could put a caption to it “you blink I am dominant one” . . .lol. Since Eggs is only 11 weeks old please observe him eating and drinking. I had his dishes on the bottom of the cage in case he couldn’t get to them higher up. I forgot to give you some millet to give him a little to supplement his diet.
I am also happy Mishu stepped up to Mitch. She was a little tentative but will get better in time (it might have been the facial hair). She went right inside her cage to settle in. She does like to be out on top of the cage so I’m not sure if she will with the light on top.
You’ll have to see how it goes. Other option would be a separate device like a small jungle gym so she can get away from her safe place (cage). It would be best to work with her away from the cage. Don’t be afraid to stroke her neck and head and make those mouth gestures she loves to do. Give me an update in a day or two on both of them.
Catherine, I gave Mitch 3 small bags of veggies. He froze 2 of them. Use the one we left out giving her 1/2 today and 1/2 tomorrow. After that it will become rancid. I left you a list of ingredients I use to make it. I forgot to put fruit on the list.
She loves apples and anything else you want to try. You can use the same menu for the keets just mash it up real good. As you said you can clip some dark leafy green lettuce inside the cage as a treat. Also gave Mitch some almonds for Mishu. She can have 2 or 3 almonds or walnuts a day. I’ve read recently that birds could have scrambled eggs in organic coconut oil only 2 times a month.
I probably sound like a nervous Nellie so I will close for now. Any questions let me know. We can work thru any issues that may come up. Thanks and good luck! I am up around 5 am daily which means I go to bed between 9 and 10 pm. Feel free to contact me anytime. I also have text capabilities.
written by catherine tobsing approved by mitch rezman approved by nora caterino
Editor’s note: We have quietly rehomed a number of large birds found by the Chicago Police and Fire Departments over the years. We found Popcorn, (a citizen calling to say a white bird was stuck in the bushes). We post pictures to Facebook and local neighborhood groups.
How To Tell If Your Budgie Is Male or Female – As Well As Age
While we were having dinner together, I casually brought up to Mitch that I took in a stray parakeet today. A man passing by saw it in a tree and asked me for a net and a ladder to catch it. I supplied him with the items, not knowing if I would ever see him again much less my ladder and net. But only 5 minutes later he returned with the bird in the net and a big smile on his face.
He didn’t want the bird as his concern was mainly for the bird’s survival and safety as he knew it would not know how to find food in the wilds of Chicago. I think he enjoyed the chase and having saved the bird. He gave me the bird to find it a home and left. So I put it in a small cage we keep on hand (this has happened before), gave him some fresh food and water and parked him in the shop for the night. I identified it as a boy due to its light blue cere. He was eating when I left him.
Editors note: In case you don’t know, the cere is the area on birds where the nostrils are located. In adult parakeets it has a somewhat leathery appearance while parakeets under one year of age have a smooth often pinkish-brown cere in both genders. Once the budgie reaches about one year of age, the cere will, in most mutations, turn blue in males and anywhere from dark pink to deep brown in females.
A few of the mutations are a bit difficult to differentiate this way with absolute certainty, but Bacon is not a member of one of these subsets. Catherine was therefore able to easily be sure that Bacon is a male of greater than one year of age.
So, I was concerned Mitch would grouse that now we have a parakeet to deal with for awhile since he is used to a bigger bird, but no. He perked right up at the news and went right into the shop to get it. He was gone awhile because, of course he came home with the bird and an armload of supplies and treats.
Refresher post from 2 months ago Birds are like soul mates & should find you – right?http://www.windycityparrot.com/blog/2016/07/07/birds-like-soul-mates-find-right/
Mitch immediately started setting up Popcorn’s old cage. Changing the light bulb, changing out old toys and perches for new ones. Then he brought over the little cage to the big cage for the transfer. Bacon (the budgies new name, LOL) was not startled enough by my tapping the cage to leave the cage so I reached in and scooped him out bare handed and deposited him in the larger cage. I felt him try to beak me but not hard, his struggles were strong but not wild. I think he may be partially tame. He did not bite.
Right now he is fully feathered so he will stay caged for his safety. He saw the Tidy Seed Feeder with food in it and he was kind of confused dancing around trying to figure out how to get the food, then just scurried over to the side of the cage, climbed down and hopped right into the feeder. Took about 2 minutes in case anyone wants to know how hard it is to get a budgie to eat out of one. LOL.
Editor’s note: BTW Bacon (who I named in about 4 minutes) the blue budgie was brought to our home. No post was found in our three Ukrainian neighborhood Facebook groups for a lost bird. No small bird missing on Parrots 911 and my guess is the bird probably escaped from a pet box store – I’ve seen their caregivers in action.
Mitch was totally jazzed. He was glowing at our new little house guest. He immediately set up the camera to record the event and I hoped the little guy was as happy to be here as we were to have him here.
Let’s talk about parakeets, a misunderstood species. You’ll look at Bacon and call it a budgie although technically it is an American “pied” parakeet with clear marking on its wings (making him a “clear flight” mutation) and unusual color markings across its abdomen.
The reason we do not outsource that advertising is, unless you’re a caged bird keeper you really don’t understand – the keeping of caged birds.
I’d like to remind the audience that there is only one species of dog but more than 10,000 species of bird. We specialize in approximately 350 species of parrots and 372 species of parakeets.
Yes Martha the budgie is a species of parakeet but there’s another several hundred dozen more that we need to chat about (roughly 372) Or so we’re told.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again “every conure is a parakeet but not every parakeet is a conure”.
So here’s this many conure species alone – you may have never heard of.
Getting back to Bacon, I’ve had him out of the cage a couple of times during his stay.
I’ll open the door to his cage while I’m working having all the other doors closed in the room so he can’t get too far but he hasn’t shown an interest in coming out of the bird cage.
Yesterday I thought he might like to take a shower with me. I grabbed him in the cage & got him onto the shower rod but the sound of the running water spooked him and he flew directly to some crown molding.
I didn’t catch him up there. He flew off and made it to the shelf in the shower where I grabbed him.
Today I pulled him out of the cage and had him on my hand for a while. then he flew off to more crown molding (between 8 and 9 1/2 feet above the floor). I was able to trap him between the window and shutters so I returned him to his cage where he was clearly happy to be.
In that we had a similar issue when we rescued Popcorn, if he ends up staying with us, we’re going to follow the same protocol and clip his wings one time to restrain his confidence and then give him flying lessons and teach him landing zones as his wing feathers molt out and grow back, which they will quite quickly.
To my darling wife Catherine
I know you’re concerned that budgies are not considered parrots and we were talking about a bigger bird. I think we will still eventually get one. But Bacon is a magnificent creature – and budgies are very smart.
If bacon is here to stay, I see a long-lasting, loving relationship for the three of us because the 3 of us have one thing in common. “We speak bird“.
written by mitch rezman approved by catherine tobsing approved by nora caterino
The tail starts with Paco (Blue-front Amazon bottom)
& Quincy (Lilac crown Amazon top) at Robin’s home in Indiana.
The Amazons aren’t lonely they have Coco
and Danny, Sandy (from GREASE) Donny & Marie (as in Osmond)
but Robin seized an opportunity to rescue
a Green wing Macaw named Casey
(if you can’t see the video below you
have to friend Robin Demaree on Facebook)
and another Blue front Amazon named Allie
the chatter leading up to the rescue
You made me tear up Mitch. I am glad to have thought of contacting you, so much. I will print your page and be mindful. Quincy my Lilac and Paco my Bluefront, are not normal in any way on anything I have read about Amazons. After going thru the mating season, I believe them to both be males. Paco mounts a Mr. Bill toy and Quincy bites at his feet until I give him a toy. In 1 1/2 years they have never tried to mount each other although they will stand there and chatter when their hormones are strong.
Quincy is sweet and timid but is the leader of the flock after me of course. He, likes Paco, Paco adores Quincy but after we play when I get home, Quincy wants to sit on his play stand and play god. Paco wants to play with me or my dog Coco and be where I am. Paco is literally unafraid of anything and I mean that.
If a T-Rex walked in my door, he would be “bring it on buddy”. At the same time, he is sweet and adjusts to animals, people and really anything very quickly. I do believe the small Blue front will be a perfect playmate for Paco they both seem A.D.D. and fun and crazy with Triple A personalities. I will bet my life that they become playmates within two weeks and I will not lose my place at all with Paco as my birds will still have one on one.
I often pet sit neighbors animals including birds so my kids do not get phased at all by anything really that walks in. Our drywall is safe, had that tested, our home is not yet 10 and I had that checked when I got Quincy.
I will keep you on speed dial just in case. My birds are never unattended ever! If no one else is home and I have to go to the bathroom, I bring the dog with me and Quincy on my shoulder. I do not worry about the dog getting the birds because they play ball together, I worry about her getting too close and losing the tip of her nose.
Thanks again a million times for your articles. I will see how these birds do and if after 60 days any of them are unhappy in anyway I will be searching for a forever home for the new ones as I told the man I would do but I would never sell them for profit or separate them out or adopt them to non parrot people.
I already have a customer in Florida that said she would drive to Indiana to get them who is in her early 40’s and has a Macaw and a Conure so she would be perfect if I fail to make this work. At the very least, they will have fresh fruits and vegetables again and have exercise should they choose to play chase and peekaboo which is my Amazons favorite.
If you saw my fb page I have pics and videos that would make you shake your head. My birds run the house, I am just their maid and playmate. The second my feet hit the floor from work, I say hi to the humans and start the bird meals which have to be fresh every night. I have to STEAM the vegetables that they do not eat raw. If I microwave them, they can tell and will drop them out of their dishes. After dinner we play. Then dessert of bananas or sometimes fresh Mozzarella weekends fresh on the corn pop corn. We hang out, sing, dance then they go on their play gym until they get tired and fussy then off to bed.
My boys are my life and they are my priority. I do Am lost at this point I just hope the new additions work out great, if not, things will still work out and I will always do what is best for any animal feathers or 4 legged. Not mother Teresa in any way but I did volunteer all of my high school years in an animal shelter and that was when they put them down immediately.
Why the majority of humans do not see that birds are more human than they realize, is beyond me. I will be picking up those ear plugs already probably too late for me Paco training kind of made me deaf and if I leave his sight he screams and your last tips and tricks has not worked for that problem so I just ignore him and hurry the heck up to make it stop LOL! xoxoxoxox Robin
Mitch or other staff: One more question then I promise not to fill your in-box unless I get in a real pickle.
The birds and their cages will arrive Fri or Sat. They will be in carries. I plan to have fresh fruits and nuts at the ready I use fresh Pine Nuts and peanuts as training treats. When I went to see the birds, they accepted grapes from my hand. I did not try to handle them, they did not lunge and were curious but I know better than to push yourself on a bird. My question: I thought I would have Quincy my Lilac on his play stand and Paco on his play stand when the birds arrive. I will put Coco dog in my room or outside until the birds have calmed down. They also have a dog so once they are relaxed some, I will let Coco meet them.
I was planning to let the Blue Front out first and place her on the play gym, then put on my leather coat which has a cast under it and see if the Macaw will step up to get out if she does not seem to be totally stressed offer her treats and see if she will not stay with me. Their current care giver and his sons will be there but I thought they could be out of sight and I am thinking it may be better for me to be the one to remove them if they will let me. If the little one gives me a few hits, not a big deal, the Macaw, I will have to be very very careful. Thank you for the good wishes! Robin
I would advocate keeping Paco in Quincy in their cages for the introduction to reduce the chance of four panicked birds – Keep the questions coming this is great stuff.
Images and or video of the introduction would be greatly appreciated and I would make it with your while
I will be ordering some pellets this weekend from you. A local lady farmer here has a greenhouse and grows organic and hydroponic fruits and vegetables she also has 2 Cockatoos. She is a weaver and makes her own fabric as well as bird toys. I buy food for my boys from her. The toys are pricey but all natural and if she colors any it is with dye from food. Plus I am supporting local farmers Her husband made me a Macaw stand of PVC so toys, stands and adoption fee I will be at about 1k this week.
Oh well, worth every penny just to have the experience and hope they are also my new kids. Quincy is free flighted, Paco has been able to fly for a year and while he no longer drops like a stone, he has not been able to take off. I don’t think he was ever able to fly. He is 21 Quincy is 8. Just this past week, I placed him on a pillow and tossed him up and down gently, he is starting to flap and I say good boy, but this may take awhile.
When I get there I will send you that one! October I got a 2 year old Australian Cattle dog mix from the Shelter (Coco). I will have to get a video of her and Paco playing for you. Coco pushes the ball to Paco and Paco pushes it back.
Sometimes Paco holds onto it to long and Coco freaks cuz she wants it thrown or tossed, I always laugh and so does Quincy. Of course I am right there to protect Coco in case Paco decides he is sick of that and goes for the tail or paw. It is all good. You will have to let me know how I can send you photos and videos, I could mail a CD to your address I suppose. Last mating season, I got a real good ex-rated porn video of Paco “doing Mr. Bill” I bet Saturday Night Live would crack up at that one, but would not embarrass my poor Paco.
At first, I thought he was just playing, so I started taping, it became pretty clear pretty quick what he was doing and all I could do was laugh and feel bad for poor Mr. Bill. This year, I may get a little curtain so he has some privacy LOL! I had better scoot, Paco and Quincy are both down on the ground, pecking at my mouse which means time to play hide and seek for awhile. They love for me to jump out and scare them! 🙂
I am counting on my boys to show these new kids how to behave, play, have fun and to be loved and spoiled and to just be. 🙂 I think the little cutie will join in pretty quick, if the big one is as smart as you say with that big brain, hopefully she will decide to join in very soon. She will have to allow me to move her around on my Polly , but I will not force her to do anything she does not want to do. I just hope I am fast enough to avoid missing ears, eyes, or fingers but my whole right arm is damaged for life from Paco so a few more hits will not make much difference! Worth every strike to see him now. I couldn’t love any bird more and he is the most work and the craziest super high maintenance but my best friend forever and ever! No new bird will take his place but I have enough love to give and my sanity and social life has been gone for the past 4 years any way because I will not leave my birds even for a weekend. Sick I know ! I will put you on one of my first people to update when I get those gorgeous orphans in my front door!
DrG • 8 days ago
Wow – Mitch, you’re being SO diplomatic! I have many years of experience with parrots and the scenario described above looks to me like a disaster in the making. So many times I’ve seen good-hearted people who can’t bear to see a neglected parrot take them home, one after another. Before long, when the parrots continue to do what parrots naturally do when stressed (scream, bite, pluck, fight, and dismantle the house and everything in it for starters), the poor parrots end up back on Craigs List or in some other adoption program. Again.
Besides this, between the cost of “normal” parrot supplies (cages, food, toys, cleaners, etc.) and the additional cost of having constantly to replace household items, not to mention furniture, clothes, walls, curtains, etc., the financial burden can become unsustainable. And parrots require a LOT of attention when they are not completely stressed, but when they ARE stressed, they require (and DEMAND) your complete and undivided attention at EVERY MOMENT. One has to have a lot of patience and a very calm mind in order to cope with this.
And do I even need to mention the cost of veterinary care?
What to do? I’ve had to say “no” to people who call me about homeless parrots over and over again, and it breaks my heart every time, but I know that to overburden myself with an aviary of stressed parrots would indeed reduce me to the status of zookeeper (and a poverty-stricken one at that), and it would seriously degrade not only my own quality of life, but more importantly, the quality of life of the birds I already have. So I constantly refer people to my local parrot group and their adoption process, and this is what I would recommend in this case, too.
On another note, thank you for keeping everyone posted about Popcorn. Along with everyone else, I’m really pulling for her (and for you and Catherine) and sending all of you good wishes and healing thoughts.
– Susan M
I try not to pass judgment (kinda) only to counsel
Hello Dr. G,
I read your comment completely as well as the advice and forecasts from our Mitch who also has much humor. Be re-assured, while I may not know what this Macaw will bring, after 4 years of being Quincy’s mom and 1 1/2 years with Paco I do have an idea.
If I have not given up on my Paco, I will not give up on these birds unless we are all miserable and only time will tell. Paco was literally almost dead when I brought him home. He was meaner than a snake and chased my husband around with blood on his mind. Now he is a perfect little man. Since August 1, of 2014, there were only been 3 days when I did not bring my birds downstairs. 2 for the flu and a work seminar the other.
They are part of the family and are actually down on the floor more often than not to play. With help of Mitch and his site, my insanity, love, patience, common sense and trust, Paco is now the most wonderful, happy, healthy funny man of the whole house. The scars, hearing loss and more bruises than I can count, were worth every single one to see him now. I am with my birds every minute I am awake and home and all weekend.
I do appreciate this post though, as I know that this does happen to so many birds, or people purchase them to put in a cage and look “pretty” . Rest assured, this will not happen to these birds in my care. I am confident that my birds should adjust just perfectly, as I will never stop loving them or giving them their time and they are so used to having so many visiting animals and people in the house, they adapt very well. I am convinced it is because they trust in me and know that I will protect them and always watch out for them. I already have no life, adding two more, will not be taking too much more time except the stress of watching the four of them when I do let them near each other to try to play.
Do wish me luck and I told Mitch I would post pics and take a video for him. I just posted a cute fb post today where Quincy, Paco and I were playing hide and seek Sunday. Paco found a good new spot under the TV cabinet but Quincy and I found him right away because he cannot be quiet! LOL!
Thank the Universe for the animals that bring us joy.
Wishing the best possible outcome for this new situation. As a foster parront, I’ve found that keeping the new birds separated from the established flock at first (usually a few weeks) while they get to know me works best. Then I bring members of my flock individually to sit with me and meet the new birds (they are in their cages for the first few meetings.) They are never left alone, and lots of treats and love are given to all. The key is to go slow and give so very much love while the new birds are learning your household routine and discipline (aka “Mom” / “Dad” voice). Good luck!
WindyCityParrot Mod Tarsa13 • 7 days ago
Great advice Tarsa13 thank you
AvatarRobin Demaree Tarsa13 • 6 days ago
Thank u and love that u foster. When I retire that is my wish. These I hope will b my family. I havent been away for a vacation in years because I love my birds too much lol.
Robin Demaree Tarsa13 • 6 days ago
Thank you Tarsa. Glad to hear you are a foster! Bless your heart. That is my dream when I retire. I hope these kids will be a part of my family, but if it doesn’t work for my kids or them, I have crazy Parrot people in mind who are willing and wonderful. I have not been on a vacation or even a weekend away for years, because I love my birds too much! (Sic). Not too many of my neighbors want to play hide and seek and peek a boo or cook birdie meals every night fresh, twice on weekends I will see how it goes, as I pet sit often dogs, cats snakes, birds, you name it. My boys are always downstairs when they arrive. Worst I think will happen is Quincy will fly and do his laps. My daughter will be right with me though. If they seem to freak, she will take them upstairs. Wish me lots of luck and that I come out of this meeting with all of the body parts that I am going into this with! lol!
Robin Demaree • 7 days ago
Thank you for the well wishes and also for the warnings. No worries. If these new Parrot kids affect my current kids after 60 days or they seems unhappy, I already have perfect parents for them picked out so they do not go home to home. I would not take this on if I thought I could not make this work. I have purchased those ear plugs Mitch suggested though. Will update soon when the kids arrive!
WindyCityParrot Mod Robin Demaree • 7 days ago
when are they due?
Robin Demaree WindyCityParrot • 6 days ago
Supposed to b this fri or sat as I needed time to move furniture left my birds play area ahere it is just adding to it. Still trying to figure out how to keep dog aeay from cage without blocking Macaws nee
Robin Demaree WindyCityParrot • 6 days ago
Supposed to be this Fri or Sat as I needed time to move living room furniture. I have left my birds play area as is, just extending the new kids on that whole wall apart from each other I may have to postpone yet one more week as I need to make something so my dog Coco cannot get near the cage and at the same time, not block the Macaws new view. Coco will not hurt her and the bird is used to a dog but cannot chance coming home to a dog who has bled out. My living room is not the largest. While we can live with the right wall looking the a zoo a few months, I am trying to come up with something not too tacky looking and safe to keep the dog from having her nose up against that cage. Good Grief Charlie Brown! I will post when we have a confirmed day.
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